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	<title>Infinite Ammo &#187; GDC2009</title>
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		<title>Into the Void</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alec Holowka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This year&#8217;s Game Developer&#8217;s Conference was super fun and super busy. So busy that I didn&#8217;t have time to make my own video blog series! Fortunately our good friend Raymond was there to document the proceedings in HD. It was a crazy week, and here are some scraps that I can remember&#8230; * Chris was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This year&#8217;s Game Developer&#8217;s Conference was super fun and super busy. So busy that I didn&#8217;t have time to make my own video blog series! Fortunately our good friend Raymond was there to document the proceedings in HD.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3384874716/" title="Buteis and Bags by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3384874716_f5b5885306.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Buteis and Bags" /></a></p>
<p>It was a crazy week, and here are some scraps that I can remember&#8230;</p>
<p>* Chris was part of the &#8220;indie game maker rant&#8221; at the Independent Games Summit. He talked about the auteur theory in film and applied it to games. It went over really well and he ended up talking to some dude from the New York Times for a few hours after.</p>
<p>* We got to share our booth with fellow Winnipeg game developers Complex Games and Tom Korp. Good times.</p>
<p>* We handed out a ton of printed material, and had numerous artists approach us looking for work.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3384882538/" title="Reenacting a touching scene from E.T. by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3614/3384882538_caf315965d.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Reenacting a touching scene from E.T." /></a></p>
<p>* Good buddy Tommy Refenes and I rocked the last IGS talk: &#8220;How to finish a game project you &#8230; HATE&#8221;. I thought it was going to suck, but it ended up being a lot of peoples&#8217; favorite. It ended with friends Kyle and Tommy reciting a dramatic speech from &#8220;Independence Day&#8221; to cheers from the crowd.</p>
<p>* I realized that &#8220;Triple-A&#8221; sounds a lot like &#8220;Chipotle&#8221;.</p>
<p>* We had some very positive meetings with representatives from the major consoles.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3384890968/" title="Media ballahs by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3605/3384890968_75956d9e58.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Media ballahs" /></a></p>
<p>* Chrissy and Raymond, while not officially part of the team, helped run our booth. They did a really great job, and it turned out to be invaluable &#8211; Chris and I could leave for meetings while they held down the fort. Raymond got really good at explaining the difficult UI of &#8220;Heroes and Villains&#8221;. (I&#8217;m -so- gonna fix that)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3384071445/" title="Sneaking TIGSource Folks into the Conference by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3384071445_ea1aa48862.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Sneaking TIGSource Folks into the Conference" /></a></p>
<p>* We managed to get three people from TIGSource free expo passes.</p>
<p>* Met Charlie Cleveland! Mega64! Will Wright!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3390243544/" title="ArtJam by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/3390243544_4eac79c4ce.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="ArtJam" /></a></p>
<p>* But the best parts were hanging out with the whole indie crew. There is no group of people as talented, funny, creative and easy-going as this bunch &#8211; and the group is growing every year. Derek Yu, Phil Fish, Erin Robinson, Edmund McMillen, Kyle Pulver, Adam Saltsman, Ben Ruiz, Brandon McCartin, Cactus, Petri, David W, Alex May, the 2D Boys and so many others &#8211; thanks for a totally awesome time. At one particularly awesome partly, I drunkenly decided to spontaneously form a &#8220;human Katamari ball&#8221;. In any other group of people, this would have been an embarrassing failure &#8211; but with these fine gentlefolk, we had 15+ people hugging, running in a circle while singing &#8220;Na Na Na-Na Na Na Na-Na Na&#8221; while gathering more. Awesome.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3384078015/" title="That building looks like stairs! by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3384078015_d015f88fa0.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="That building looks like stairs!" /></a></p>
<p>* Baiyon.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s next for IA? Its an open-ended question right now. Stay tuned for more updates! (and the eventual posting of our GDC footage)</p>
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		<title>GDC Booth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alec Holowka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#8217;re at GDC, come down and see us at 5137NH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re at GDC, come down and see us at 5137NH. <img src='http://infiniteammo.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>GDC 2009 &#8211; Video Blog 1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alec Holowka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its time for episode 12 of the video blog. Infinite Ammo Video Blog #12 from Infinite Ammo on Vimeo. This one is a collection of moments that include traveling, eating, eye-patch-wearing and teasing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its time for episode 12 of the video blog.</p>
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<p><center><a href="http://vimeo.com/3829667">Infinite Ammo Video Blog #12</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user662132">Infinite Ammo</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</center></p>
<p>This one is a collection of moments that include traveling, eating, eye-patch-wearing and teasing.</p>
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		<title>GDC 2009 &#8211; Days Two &amp; Three</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alec Holowka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[All in all, a very good couple of days&#8230; We managed to forward our plans for world domination&#8230; &#8230;forged great family memories&#8230; &#8230;and started working on the IA centerfold series. P.S. GDC video blog 1 is uploading&#8230;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All in all, a very good couple of days&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3381004393/" title="Overlords of the Sky by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3573/3381004393_5b1d30526f.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Overlords of the Sky" /></a></p>
<p>We managed to forward our plans for world domination&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3381001823/" title="Old Timey Memories (once we were a happy family) by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3452/3381001823_ba0bda0d16.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Old Timey Memories (once we were a happy family)" /></a></p>
<p>&#8230;forged great family memories&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3381825456/" title="Gangsta by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3657/3381825456_953ebc0c06.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="Gangsta" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3381818986/" title="Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3610/3381818986_5516859582.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now" /></a></p>
<p>&#8230;and started working on the IA centerfold series.</p>
<p>P.S. GDC video blog 1 is uploading&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Jeb&#039;s GDC Video Blog Part 1</title>
		<link>http://infiniteammo.ca/blog/jebs-gdc-video-blog-part-1/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alec Holowka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Jeb&#8221; from Oxeye Studios posted his first GDC video blog. (I&#8217;m still editing ours) We appear in this one briefly, so check it out!]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Jeb&#8221; from <a href="http://www.oxeyegames.com/">Oxeye Studios</a> posted his first GDC video blog. (I&#8217;m still editing ours) We appear in this one briefly, so check it out! <img src='http://infiniteammo.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>GDC 2009 &#8211; Day One</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 07:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Lobay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, we made it. 6 hours of flight time, 1 stop over, 1 awesome sushi dinner, and lots of mountains and clouds. Everyone else is asleep, and I&#8217;m really exhausted, but I have to finish a whole bunch of stuff before bed, and this blog post is one of them. Bam! There&#8217;s many more in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we made it. 6 hours of flight time, 1 stop over, 1 awesome sushi dinner, and lots of mountains and clouds. Everyone else is asleep, and I&#8217;m really exhausted, but I have to finish a whole bunch of stuff before bed, and this blog post is one of them. Bam!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3375115044/" title="IA + More Art by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/3375115044_341f0abb76.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IA + More Art" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3375113790/" title="Ammmmmmazing by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3657/3375113790_cbfde612e9.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Ammmmmmazing" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3375118308/" title="H+V in the sky! by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3565/3375118308_9f9c26dea0.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="H+V in the sky!" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3375115588/" title="A whole bunch o' folks by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3375115588_853cf935b2.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="A whole bunch o' folks" /></a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s many more in our <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/sets/72157615654322657/">GDC 2009 set</a>, and we&#8217;ll be adding more every day! It&#8217;ll be just like you&#8217;re here!</p>
<p>Look out for some piping hot video blogs coming your way also. Sleep time!</p>
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		<title>GDC Schwag</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alec Holowka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris designed a whole whack of stuff for our upcoming GDC trip. Check &#8216;er out! &#8230;and there&#8217;s a bit more to come! If you&#8217;re heading to GDC you can visit us at GDC booth 5137 NH.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris designed a whole whack of stuff for our upcoming GDC trip. Check &#8216;er out!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3363591861/" title="H+V Promo Cards by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3646/3363591861_72c03f6eec.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="H+V Promo Cards" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3363590745/" title="WAHSOME. by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3645/3363590745_4e64b52870.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="WAHSOME." /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3364416820/" title="IA Flyers by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3364416820_cc15830e23.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="IA Flyers" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3363597165/" title="Infinite Ammo by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/3363597165_19de9f9fcf.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Infinite Ammo" /></a></p>
<p>&#8230;and there&#8217;s a bit more to come!</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re heading to GDC you can visit us at GDC booth <a href="https://www.cmpevents.com/GD09/a.asp?option=H&#038;V=13&#038;MgEid=5850&#038;X=1">5137 NH</a>.</p>
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		<title>Screenshots + Artists + Drama</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 12:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alec Holowka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;ve switched up the art team on H+V! Now we&#8217;re collaborating with Clemens Scott and Adam Saltsman. If you&#8217;ve been keeping score, you&#8217;ll remember that Adam did 90% of the art for Paper Moon. I tapped Clemens Scott to help out with the game after seeing his awesome work on the TIGSource community project Indie [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve switched up the art team on H+V! Now we&#8217;re collaborating with Clemens Scott and Adam Saltsman. If you&#8217;ve been keeping score, you&#8217;ll remember that Adam did 90% of the art for <a href="http://infiniteammo.ca/games/">Paper Moon</a>. I tapped Clemens Scott to help out with the game after seeing his awesome work on the TIGSource community project <a href="http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=2314.0">Indie Brawl</a>. Their passion for the game and the joy they find in their work makes H+V a fun project to work on &#8211; even though I&#8217;ve been crunching pretty hard on it lately.</p>
<p><img src="/public/blog/heroes_villains_clemens.jpg"></p>
<p>The game runs really well on the iPhone hardware. Here&#8217;s a shot of the current build running on my iPod Touch:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3259431471/" title="Heroes and Villains on iPod Touch: 3D World Map by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3311/3259431471_49cde15ee8.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Heroes and Villains on iPod Touch: 3D World Map" /></a></p>
<p>Clemens is tackling characters and animation, Adam is doing up the 3D backgrounds, Ian is developing levels, Chris is creating UI visuals and I&#8217;m programming whatever&#8217;s needed to support all of that. Chris, Ian and I are also starting to work on some sweet beats.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3259513247/" title="Heroes and Villains: Hero Dock by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/3259513247_bdb545cff7.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Heroes and Villains: Hero Dock" /></a></p>
<p>In other news, we bought plane tickets for GDC! We&#8217;re going to be part of a booth called &#8220;Game On Manitoba&#8221;. If you&#8217;re heading down to GDC, be sure to stop by. We&#8217;ll be demoing Paper Moon and Heroes and Villains &#8211; and we&#8217;ll be handing out some cool swag. We always love meeting and chatting with folks about what we do.</p>
<p>Life has been pretty hectic lately. Chris and I signed the Infinite Ammo incorporation papers amid some drama. Fortunately, I&#8217;m scheduled to do a talk at the Independent Game Summit about game development frustrations and hurdles. (with my good friend <a href="https://www.cmpevents.com/GD09/a.asp?option=G&#038;V=3&#038;id=612431">Tommy Refenes</a>, no less) I have some good data to share that will help out other aspiring indie developers.</p>
<p>My game development past before creating <a href="http://www.bit-blot.com/aquaria/">Aquaria</a> was not a smooth ride. I worked hard for a lot of projects that didn&#8217;t end up going anywhere. For some reason I kept trying, and managed to release something that was <a href="http://derekyu.com">ours</a> and that some <a href="http://www.bit-blot.com/aquaria/press.html">people</a> <a href="http://www.bit-blot.com/aquaria/community.html">love</a>. Based on those combined experiences, and as a build up to the epic IGS talk with Tommy, I&#8217;m starting a new blog series called &#8220;Bittter Game Developer Hints&#8221;. I love game development, but sometimes it can be a total bitch &#8211; and these hints should serve as helpful warnings to idealists striving to get into the field. Imagine me: scraggly facial hair, eyepatch, cursing, with Canadian whisky in hand &#8211; while you enjoy these tasty nuggets of hard-earned wisdom.</p>
<p><center><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/infiniteammo/3259493197/" title="The Bitter Game Developer by Infinite Ammo, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3475/3259493197_e99198c575_o.jpg" width="500" height="262" alt="The Bitter Game Developer" /></a></center></p>
<p><strong>Bitter Game Developer Hint #1:<br />Vet potential collaborators extensively before you grant them big responsibility:<br />Intent doesn&#8217;t herald results.</strong></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s follow that up with&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Bitter Game Developer Hint #2:<br />Failure is about growing. Take the lessons you can and move on to greener pastures.</strong></p>
<p>While we&#8217;re on a roll&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Bitter Game Developer Hint #3:<br />Painful change is a catalyst for beautiful art.</strong></p>
<p>Heroes and Villains&#8217; deadline is GDC, so we&#8217;re going to be crunching on that for the next while. Our Alpha Milestone deadline is Monday, and its going to be awesome.</p>
<p>Wish us luck! <img src='http://infiniteammo.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://cscott.at/">Clemens Scott&#8217; Site</a><br />
<a href="http://adamatomic.com/">Adam Saltsman&#8217;s Site</a></p>
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